tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7143395511928869444.post8762119896859416111..comments2024-01-02T13:37:26.563-06:00Comments on גֵּר־וְתוֹשָׁב: Jesus and Salvation in Luke-Actsd. millerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16844676267073730959noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7143395511928869444.post-78698961223553148292007-10-14T18:29:00.000-06:002007-10-14T18:29:00.000-06:00Hey Nick. I think you are certainly right that Luk...Hey Nick. I think you are certainly right that Luke connects Jesus' death to salvation in this passage, and I'm a little embarrassed to have overlooked Luke 23 in my original post. I also really like your suggestion--against, e.g., Joel Green who denies any vicarious element to Jesus' death--that Luke presents Jesus' death as a righteous sacrifice (?) for the unrighteous. I need to think about this some more.<BR/><BR/>Still, in Acts the emphasis is on Jesus' exaltation (though it would be wrong to remove Jesus' death from the picture), and Luke also presents Jesus as savior during his earthly ministry. I'm not sure yet how to put all these pieces together.<BR/><BR/>I will also be on the lookout for evidence that Luke understands the crucifixion scene as an exodus text. I do see exodus in the last supper, but not (yet) in the crucifixion where the dominant emphasis is on Jesus' royalty.d. millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16844676267073730959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7143395511928869444.post-21496586476376525882007-10-14T13:04:00.000-06:002007-10-14T13:04:00.000-06:00Hey d. I'm tempted to read the salvation language ...Hey d. I'm tempted to read the salvation language in the story of the two criminals as being ironic and also suggestive that Luke is dramatizing in this scene his understanding of the salvific signficance of Jesus' unjustified death (note the curious v. 47) for guilty sinners (hence v 39 and 42-43). I could be reading too much into it. What do you think? I look forward to what you have to say in general about this topic. Cheersnicholas meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08428173510982603101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7143395511928869444.post-9991532700787917652007-10-13T13:54:00.000-06:002007-10-13T13:54:00.000-06:00Hmm...Are you thinking of "Father, forgive them; f...Hmm...Are you thinking of "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing" (Luke 23:34)? The verse does associate forgiveness closely with Jesus' death and I probably should have included it along with Luke 22:19-20 and Acts 20:28 (assuming it belongs in Luke. I'd like to think it does on internal grounds despite the important manuscripts that omit it.) <BR/><BR/>There's also the concentration of "salvation" language in vv. 35-43. <BR/><BR/>Did you have anything else in mind?d. millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16844676267073730959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7143395511928869444.post-36022680336019507212007-10-13T06:57:00.000-06:002007-10-13T06:57:00.000-06:00Will you deal witht the "exodus" text itself, that...Will you deal witht the "exodus" text itself, that is, the crucifixion scene in Luke? I think there may be stuff here to help us make sense of Luke's understanding of the salvific significane of Jesus' death.nicholas meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08428173510982603101noreply@blogger.com